what's the defense of it? because i got to tell you, you talk to any presidential strategist who all think the process is too long and that long process has hurt front-runners, they don't get it. >> one defense, she may not run for president. and in that case, in that case, she should talk about, because she wants to be a democratic leader, one somewhere s, someon out ideas for the party. if you run smartly in 2013 and 2014, maybe you don't have to run in 2015. maybe she clears the field. a case where hillary clinton's running and her nearest rival is howard dean or someone who will never be a strong challenge. >> liz, that's the idea, she's fighting the last war, right? the last time she allowed arguably maybe they think that she allowed for the opportunity, she never -- she never fixed her left flank and she allowed for the opportunity for obama. >> right, but the danger as we saw in 2008 is becoming the inevitable candidate, right? the aura of that around her was what ended up doing her the last time. so th